Post by Rivergal on Sept 7, 2013 13:17:36 GMT -6
This lady, the mother of numerous children, was married to Antoine "Scott" Campbell, the interpreter for the Indian Agency at Fort Snelling. She is rather mysterious, but we will try to sort her out. First her husband:
•Born: 1790, Prairie Du Chien, WI
•Marriage: Margaret Menagre on 12 Aug 1825
•Died: 1 Mar 1851, St. Paul, Minnesota Territory at age 61
"Scott" Campbell: (1790's-1851)
He was the son of Archibald John Campbell & a Dakota woman and married Margaret Menager. Their children were: Henriette S. (b.1824; m.Benjamin Aitken Dyomme or Dionne), Scott II (b.abt.1828-1870), Hypolite S.(b.abt.1828), Joseph S.(b.1827/36-1869; m.Mary Ann), John S. (1834-1865; m.Marguerite Lize), Margaret (b.1838; m.Joseph Labathe in 1854), Baptiste S.(b.1838); Marie (b.abt.1839) & Mathias S.
As a boy, Scott was taken back east by Meriwether Lewis (of the Lewis & Clark expedition) on his return from his western journey. When Lewis died in 1809 under mysterious circumstances he returned to family in the Upper Mississippi. He was licensed to trade above Prairie du Chien for James Lockwood in the 1819-20 season. In 1834 he was Indian agent Taliaferro's Dakota interpreter at Fort Snelling, where he assisted Lt.Edmund A.Ogden in setting the Dakota language on paper. Missionary, Samuel W.Pond credits Scott for his part in the manuscript that Ogden passed on to Samuel & his brother Gideon Pond which was helpful in their work in developing a Dakota dictionary that was finished & published though the efforts of fellow missionary, Stephen R. Riggs.
In 1837, Scott was living at the St.Peters settlement, near the mouth of the Minnesota River, going to Washington D.C. as the Dakota interpreter for a treaty. In 1843 he bought a claim from Denis Cherrier for $300. which he sold to William Hartshorn in 1848. Pond wrote of Scott, "Mr.Campbell was, in his general deportment, very mild, quiet and gentlemanly, always ready to smoke or chat with white men or Indians, carefully avoiding all harsh language and disagreeable topics; but he had a fiery temper which sometimes broke through the smooth external covering in such ebullitions of passion as we might expect from one in whom were mingled the Scotch and Dakota blood. He was skillful as an interpreter, and perhaps more skillful as a mis-interpreter...He told what he thought the speaker should have said rather that what he did say, and frequently a good understanding seemed to have been restored, simply because there had been no understanding at all."
From: users.usinternet.com/dfnels/campbell.htm or
www.tradegoods.org/campbell.htm
TRADE GOODS
The goods on this page are of the mid-North American fur trade era it's history & genealogy prior to the 1840's.
CAMPBELL, SCOTT - He was born Antoine Scott Campbell at Prairie du Chien in 1790, the son of Colin Campbell, a very well known Northern Irish trader who traveled throughout the west in the early 1800's. His mother was an unknown Native American woman. Scott Campbell acted as interpreter for Fort Snelling for 25 years, and was at various times in the employ of many of the prominant traders and businessmen of St. Paul during that period. After resigning from the Indian Agency at the Fort in 1843, he purchased a small claim from Denis Cherrier that ran from what is today Wabasha to St. Peter, and back two or three blocks. He erected a dwelling on the claim, but sold the property to William Hartshorn, and moved to a small claim on St. Anthony Road just beyond Narcisse Denoyer's property.
He was a farmer in 1850. Campbell was said to have been a man of some ability, but his intemperate habits caused him to lead a relatively unhappy life. He was a man of unusual physical beauty and power, with long, curly black hair, dark expressive eyes, and a finely proportioned figure. He married Margaret Menager, and had a number of children: Baptiste, John, Marguerite (1837 MN), Marier (1838 MN), Hypolite, Joseph, Mathias, Scott Jr., Henrietta, Nancy, and Alexander. When his sons were young boys, they were known as good-natured and well-disposed lads, but some of them afterwards turned out very badly. Campbell died in 1851 in St. Paul. [Minnesota Territorial Census 1850. Minnesota Genealogical Journal, Minnesota Historical Society, ©1972.and Williams, J. Fletcher. A History of the City of Saint Paul to 1875. St. Paul, Minnesota Historical Society, ©1983.]
Noted events in his life were:
• Occupation: interpreter for Col. Snelling and Taliaferro, Bet 1818 and 1843.
Margaret was purportedly the daughter of Louis Fromme dit Menagre [this last being spelled variously] by a native woman, although she is quite often left out of his list of offspring. Most likely, Louis had cohabited with two different native ladies and Margaret was probably one of his older children but the date of her birth is not known. In 1840, she was still of childbearing age and she was 93 when she died in 1892, according to one source. That would make the year of her birth 1799. That would have made Margaret all of 26 years old at her marriage to Campbell in 1825--and I don't right now know where this date comes from. They couldn't have been married by a priest, as they were married by Bishop Mathias Loras In the summer of 1839 in St. Peter's [now the area around Fort Snelling in Minnesota]. Anyway, their oldest child is reported to have been born in 1824.
After the death of Scott Campbell in 1851, Margaret is said have have married Francois Patoile, a native of Canada and a trader with the Indians who ended up at the Redwood Agency in 1862. Patoile, aged 47, was killed that year by the Indians while attempting to flee to Fort Ridgely. Patoile is attested in an 1860 census at Redwood Township, Brown County, roll 567. If Patoile was 47 in 1862, he would have been born in 1815 and quite a bit younger than Margaret. He is listed as
Name: Francis Patwell
Event Type:
Event Year:
Event Place:
Minor Civil Division: Yellow Medicine
Age (Expanded): 45 years
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birthplace:
Gender:
Page: 20
Household ID:
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film number: 803567
Digital Folder Number: 4232720
Image Number: 00237
Previously Francois Patoile was married to Agnes St. Cyr on Apr. 28, 1844 by Father Joseph Cretin, pastor of St. Gabriel's Catholic Church at Prairie du Chien, WI. However, on Aug. 28, 1851 an ad appeared in the Minnesota Pioneer [St. Paul newspaper] placed by Patoile saying that his wife, Agnes, had left him "without any just cause or provocation" and that he would no longer be responsible for her debts. That is the same year Scott Campbell died and so it appears that both Francois and Margaret became free at the same time.
The only other "Patwell" at Yellow Medicine is:
Name: Mary Patwell
Event Type:
Event Year:
Event Place:
Minor Civil Division: Yellow Medicine
Age (Expanded): 50 years
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birthplace:
Gender:
Page: 20
Household ID:
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film number: 803567
Digital Folder Number: 4232720
Image Number: 00237
Since I couldn't find the images, I assume for now that "Mary" is Margaret and she is still 5 years the senior of "Francis". If she gave her age as 50--she would have to have been born in 1810.
The ages vary on the censuses and sometimes people in the 19th Century liked to exaggerate their ages when they got older--even women. But not when they were still only around 50. If "Mary" is Margaret, I wouldn't be surprised if she really was born in 1810 and had her first child in 1824 at age 14 because that is much more consistent with the ages of other women, white and half-breed, who married the fur traders. Joe Rolette, the foremost trader at Prairie du Chien married his second wife when she was merely 13 [and she was a white girl] and he about 38.
According to this cemetery site, Margaret died on 9 Jun 1892 in Santee Reservation, Knox County, NE
negennet.net/knox/cemeteries/catholic.htm
She is listed as "wife of A.J. Campbell age 93" and that was probably the information supplied by one of her children, as Patoile had died long before. Perhaps the real name of Scott Campbell had been Antoine Joseph.
I also believe, as far as her children were concerned, that Scott Jr. and Mathias were the same person.
•Born: 1790, Prairie Du Chien, WI
•Marriage: Margaret Menagre on 12 Aug 1825
•Died: 1 Mar 1851, St. Paul, Minnesota Territory at age 61
"Scott" Campbell: (1790's-1851)
He was the son of Archibald John Campbell & a Dakota woman and married Margaret Menager. Their children were: Henriette S. (b.1824; m.Benjamin Aitken Dyomme or Dionne), Scott II (b.abt.1828-1870), Hypolite S.(b.abt.1828), Joseph S.(b.1827/36-1869; m.Mary Ann), John S. (1834-1865; m.Marguerite Lize), Margaret (b.1838; m.Joseph Labathe in 1854), Baptiste S.(b.1838); Marie (b.abt.1839) & Mathias S.
As a boy, Scott was taken back east by Meriwether Lewis (of the Lewis & Clark expedition) on his return from his western journey. When Lewis died in 1809 under mysterious circumstances he returned to family in the Upper Mississippi. He was licensed to trade above Prairie du Chien for James Lockwood in the 1819-20 season. In 1834 he was Indian agent Taliaferro's Dakota interpreter at Fort Snelling, where he assisted Lt.Edmund A.Ogden in setting the Dakota language on paper. Missionary, Samuel W.Pond credits Scott for his part in the manuscript that Ogden passed on to Samuel & his brother Gideon Pond which was helpful in their work in developing a Dakota dictionary that was finished & published though the efforts of fellow missionary, Stephen R. Riggs.
In 1837, Scott was living at the St.Peters settlement, near the mouth of the Minnesota River, going to Washington D.C. as the Dakota interpreter for a treaty. In 1843 he bought a claim from Denis Cherrier for $300. which he sold to William Hartshorn in 1848. Pond wrote of Scott, "Mr.Campbell was, in his general deportment, very mild, quiet and gentlemanly, always ready to smoke or chat with white men or Indians, carefully avoiding all harsh language and disagreeable topics; but he had a fiery temper which sometimes broke through the smooth external covering in such ebullitions of passion as we might expect from one in whom were mingled the Scotch and Dakota blood. He was skillful as an interpreter, and perhaps more skillful as a mis-interpreter...He told what he thought the speaker should have said rather that what he did say, and frequently a good understanding seemed to have been restored, simply because there had been no understanding at all."
From: users.usinternet.com/dfnels/campbell.htm or
www.tradegoods.org/campbell.htm
TRADE GOODS
The goods on this page are of the mid-North American fur trade era it's history & genealogy prior to the 1840's.
CAMPBELL, SCOTT - He was born Antoine Scott Campbell at Prairie du Chien in 1790, the son of Colin Campbell, a very well known Northern Irish trader who traveled throughout the west in the early 1800's. His mother was an unknown Native American woman. Scott Campbell acted as interpreter for Fort Snelling for 25 years, and was at various times in the employ of many of the prominant traders and businessmen of St. Paul during that period. After resigning from the Indian Agency at the Fort in 1843, he purchased a small claim from Denis Cherrier that ran from what is today Wabasha to St. Peter, and back two or three blocks. He erected a dwelling on the claim, but sold the property to William Hartshorn, and moved to a small claim on St. Anthony Road just beyond Narcisse Denoyer's property.
He was a farmer in 1850. Campbell was said to have been a man of some ability, but his intemperate habits caused him to lead a relatively unhappy life. He was a man of unusual physical beauty and power, with long, curly black hair, dark expressive eyes, and a finely proportioned figure. He married Margaret Menager, and had a number of children: Baptiste, John, Marguerite (1837 MN), Marier (1838 MN), Hypolite, Joseph, Mathias, Scott Jr., Henrietta, Nancy, and Alexander. When his sons were young boys, they were known as good-natured and well-disposed lads, but some of them afterwards turned out very badly. Campbell died in 1851 in St. Paul. [Minnesota Territorial Census 1850. Minnesota Genealogical Journal, Minnesota Historical Society, ©1972.and Williams, J. Fletcher. A History of the City of Saint Paul to 1875. St. Paul, Minnesota Historical Society, ©1983.]
Noted events in his life were:
• Occupation: interpreter for Col. Snelling and Taliaferro, Bet 1818 and 1843.
Margaret was purportedly the daughter of Louis Fromme dit Menagre [this last being spelled variously] by a native woman, although she is quite often left out of his list of offspring. Most likely, Louis had cohabited with two different native ladies and Margaret was probably one of his older children but the date of her birth is not known. In 1840, she was still of childbearing age and she was 93 when she died in 1892, according to one source. That would make the year of her birth 1799. That would have made Margaret all of 26 years old at her marriage to Campbell in 1825--and I don't right now know where this date comes from. They couldn't have been married by a priest, as they were married by Bishop Mathias Loras In the summer of 1839 in St. Peter's [now the area around Fort Snelling in Minnesota]. Anyway, their oldest child is reported to have been born in 1824.
After the death of Scott Campbell in 1851, Margaret is said have have married Francois Patoile, a native of Canada and a trader with the Indians who ended up at the Redwood Agency in 1862. Patoile, aged 47, was killed that year by the Indians while attempting to flee to Fort Ridgely. Patoile is attested in an 1860 census at Redwood Township, Brown County, roll 567. If Patoile was 47 in 1862, he would have been born in 1815 and quite a bit younger than Margaret. He is listed as
Name: Francis Patwell
Event Type:
Event Year:
Event Place:
Minor Civil Division: Yellow Medicine
Age (Expanded): 45 years
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birthplace:
Gender:
Page: 20
Household ID:
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film number: 803567
Digital Folder Number: 4232720
Image Number: 00237
Previously Francois Patoile was married to Agnes St. Cyr on Apr. 28, 1844 by Father Joseph Cretin, pastor of St. Gabriel's Catholic Church at Prairie du Chien, WI. However, on Aug. 28, 1851 an ad appeared in the Minnesota Pioneer [St. Paul newspaper] placed by Patoile saying that his wife, Agnes, had left him "without any just cause or provocation" and that he would no longer be responsible for her debts. That is the same year Scott Campbell died and so it appears that both Francois and Margaret became free at the same time.
The only other "Patwell" at Yellow Medicine is:
Name: Mary Patwell
Event Type:
Event Year:
Event Place:
Minor Civil Division: Yellow Medicine
Age (Expanded): 50 years
Birth Year (Estimated):
Birthplace:
Gender:
Page: 20
Household ID:
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film number: 803567
Digital Folder Number: 4232720
Image Number: 00237
Since I couldn't find the images, I assume for now that "Mary" is Margaret and she is still 5 years the senior of "Francis". If she gave her age as 50--she would have to have been born in 1810.
The ages vary on the censuses and sometimes people in the 19th Century liked to exaggerate their ages when they got older--even women. But not when they were still only around 50. If "Mary" is Margaret, I wouldn't be surprised if she really was born in 1810 and had her first child in 1824 at age 14 because that is much more consistent with the ages of other women, white and half-breed, who married the fur traders. Joe Rolette, the foremost trader at Prairie du Chien married his second wife when she was merely 13 [and she was a white girl] and he about 38.
According to this cemetery site, Margaret died on 9 Jun 1892 in Santee Reservation, Knox County, NE
negennet.net/knox/cemeteries/catholic.htm
She is listed as "wife of A.J. Campbell age 93" and that was probably the information supplied by one of her children, as Patoile had died long before. Perhaps the real name of Scott Campbell had been Antoine Joseph.
I also believe, as far as her children were concerned, that Scott Jr. and Mathias were the same person.
